Originally by: Flamewave

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Originally by: Cassandra Wolf

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We thought about that too.. but they know our names.. so if they are bored we must hop corp every 24 hours if they wardec us again?

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And then they petition you. Not a smart move.

Best you can do is negotiate with them if they haven't already named a price, and if they have you can always try to haggle. Most of the time when this happens the corps who refuse to pay lose more in ships than they would have had to pay to get the dec dropped to begin with.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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If unbalanced PvP is griefing in Eve I'll eat my own head tbh.

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Originally by: 85 Echo

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Edited by: 85 Echo on 08/03/2008 07:50:57
If you step up, you can beat them. This may be your first dec, but it probably won't be your last. Believe it or not, this is normal. That said, here are your options:

- Join a really big alliance and have them protect you.
- Give up
- Fight (you can win)

You have been wardecced for easy kills and possibly easy isk. If you decide to go with option 3, you need to win by taking that away from them. Here are some tips if you go with option 3.

1) FLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. This might mean T1 fitted caracals, so be it. Fit them with rat loot if you have to. Keep that battleship docked up. You can lose 4 ships to your enemy's one. Their ships are much, much more expensive then yours.

2) Teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. Get ventrillo or teamspeak, and share intel, don't get caught alone.

3) Fit your ships with an eye to point 2. Don't fit for solo pvp, fit to mob your enemy with numbers. You don't ALL need web and scram, so that means somebody can fly a griffin, or better, a blackbird. Pro Tip: A griffin with racial jammers can jam a battleship, sometimes more then once! They might outnumber you sometimes, but they don't outnumber you all the time.

4) Get some help. Recruit a pvper or two to help the rest of you out. Preferably someone who Isn't a spy.

5) The last part of point 4 is really important

6) Stop logging off, they'll get bored of station camping you faster when you aren't there, and when numbers are on your side, undock and strike.

7) You win by making them miserable and costing them isk. Not by giving them good fights, and definitely not by feeding them command ships.

8) Consider mercs

Theres a lot more you need to learn before you can win, but you'll learn that on the way. I hope the above is helpful. Especially the last part of point 4.

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Originally by: Xyn Rhais

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The ships you lost already add up to their ransom demands.

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Originally by: Inertial

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To be quite honest. If you can't handle a wardec, you don't deserve to have a player corp.

So far, it seems that your reaction have been: "OMG, this is ruining my fun!", but it should have been "hmm, how can I have some fun with this?".

These players who are wardeccing you, are probably more expirienced when it comes to PVP, and probably have more skillpoints towards it. What you guys shouldn't do is fly battleships and battlecruisers against them, this is probably what they are expecting. Instead you fit T1 Cruisers, with cheap stuff, fully insure it and fly in gangs against them. If they are flying Nano ships, you counter it with anti nano ships. Neuts, Webs, fast ships, ECM, Damps, etc, there are plenty of counters. Put in a few logistics and practice a spidertank and you can probably take their Hac gang slowly. Watch the tourny videos for a few ideas on spidertanking.

This is what you should be doing, proving that you deserve to have a corp.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Cassandra Wolf

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But i still dont see how we can kill highly specialized and trained pvpers with t2 equip with some 10 mio-thoraxes.. maybe hurt.. but catch, defeat/kill...? hmm :/

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Never underestimate the power of numbers... you might not "win" in the sense you get to kill them, but you can "survive".
Starvation is just as bad of a death as getting shot
They fight you to get cash, either from your wrecks or from the ransome.
You don't have to actually beat them, just fend them off. Deny them any income.
Wreck of a corp mate ? Collect loot/salvage yourself, or SHOOT it... as long as they don't get it, perfect.

In even numbers, or even if you have a 2:1 numerical superiority, you might not be able to kill them... yet.
But you can deny them any gains, and you will get better at it.
And one time, one of them will make a big mistake, like underestimate the gang you're fielding, or get impatient.
Then he's dead.

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Originally by: Sharon Lynn

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Can't you just surrender?
I think the war is over after 24 hours if you surrender, they probably wardec you again but they could stop if you surrender every time.

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Originally by: Feilamya

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Edited by: Feilamya on 08/03/2008 11:59:01
One more thread which proofs that creating, leaving and changing corps is way too easy and cheap. Leaving your corp should hurt. Creating a corp should cost you and at the same time give you enough benefit to prefer a real corp over an NPC corp. Even and especially in empire.

In other words, it's not the wardec mechanics that are flawed and need to be fixed, it's the corp mechanics.

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Originally by: Cipher7

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I believe the original intent of the developers was that Highsec was to be "carebear" space.

However due to overcrowding 0.0 is now the carebear space.

Hit F10 and open your map. Set to "show ships destroyed last 24 hours."

Zoom out.

See the big bloody red gash in the middle? That's highsec.

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You and your friends need to learn a hell of a lot more about combat.

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Wardec in highsec against any corp is fine.

If the CEO is a clueless noob, then the CEO is the griefer.

If he doesn't have a plan, security, reserves, etc, then your CEO was the one who griefed you by recruiting you into a corp that has no plan and no means of self-defense.

A corp does not have a right to exist, it must EARN a right to exist.

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Originally by: Kirai Akuma

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Originally by: Ten Tigers

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But do you know what? That's not going to happen. I know that ****es you off, but if it's any consolation, I'd pay to see the look on your face right now, and that of the original poster.

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Am I the only one confused by this?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Ten Tigers

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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[/i]And just because you pay the same price doesn't mean that you have the right to be successful in EVE..

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Nobody's demanding success. Just asking for a little more bias in favor of being left alone in high-security space by the cowards who can't handle PVP in non-newbie systems. We don't want a free lunch. We want to stop BEING a free lunch for cowards who can dish it out, but not take it. I thought the argument was very simple, but the logic does seem to elude those who are quite used to relying on the free lunch.

Are you going to eat that?

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You're the one asking for a free lunch.

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Why on earth should I? Will you pay me to? Or are you expecting me to do it for free..?

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Originally by: Kale Kold

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Originally by: Esmenet

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However ccp has shown they do not like alliance/corp hopping with the purpose of getting away from wardec mechanics.

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Exactly! The only way out is to pay the ransom.

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Originally by: Krabb Foot

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Why all da hating for da Pirats?

The OP is completely clueless when it comes to Eve and made a rubbish little Corporation because he thought running a Corp would be Kewl and make him look important.

He was the one who made the mistake of recruiting players with low Skill Points.Most likely because anyone who new anything about the game wouldn't give his Corp a second glance.

He has no clue on how to defend his members or minimise risk.He has no plans in place should war arise and says he can't help the players he recruited.

He claims this is a surprise to him?Has the OP not read previous posts from other people on these boards who complain that their little Corporation has been war decced?It should come as no surprise to him that his Corporation have been war decced.

Now those players he recruited have just discovered that they joined the wrong Corp and should leave asap.They should all find a bigger,better Corporation run by someone who understands how Eve works.

OP is 100% at fault because he doesn't know what he is doing.

Ignorance is not an excuse for failing so hard.

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